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Postby d.gishman on Tue Nov 13, 2007 10:01 pm

Can we have a poll for the style of the mushroom clouds?

Everything else looks very awesome, very cool map
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Postby yamahafazer on Wed Nov 14, 2007 5:24 am

d.gishman wrote:Can we have a poll for the style of the mushroom clouds?

Everything else looks very awesome, very cool map


I think they might be set now... anyway these ones fit in with the look of the map.
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Postby I GOT SERVED on Wed Nov 14, 2007 2:37 pm

yamahafazer wrote:
d.gishman wrote:Can we have a poll for the style of the mushroom clouds?

Everything else looks very awesome, very cool map


I think they might be set now... anyway these ones fit in with the look of the map.


I agree. Also, I say this is ready for forging.
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Postby Coleman on Wed Nov 14, 2007 2:57 pm

Not ready yet. Close. Alaska isn't counting for the USA (I assume) which is confusing even with the stars, which I don't feel distinguish it enough, maybe more stars or bigger stars are needed, and other problems were pointed out I'd like to see fixed first. (Korea and army number nudged down slightly for one)
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Postby oaktown on Fri Nov 16, 2007 12:35 am

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• Stars are slightly larger and closer together.
• Fussed with the Korea border a bit - I could of course fuss more but it's starting to not look like Korea anymore.
• Tweaked the coordinates in the XML.
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Postby Coleman on Fri Nov 16, 2007 12:36 am

Works for me. :)
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Postby Aerial Attack on Fri Nov 16, 2007 1:20 am

Maybe, instead of USA Only - you put Cont. USA ? Would that alleviate the Alaska confusion? Or just add to it?

Cont. = Continental (or Contiguous). Most people know that this excludes Alaska, Hawaii, and any US Territories.
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Postby reverend_kyle on Fri Nov 16, 2007 4:06 am

Aerial Attack wrote:Maybe, instead of USA Only - you put Cont. USA ? Would that alleviate the Alaska confusion? Or just add to it?

Cont. = Continental (or Contiguous). Most people know that this excludes Alaska, Hawaii, and any US Territories.


At this point in time that was all of the United States, there really wasn't any states outside of the contiguous in my opinion that'd be a downgrade.

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Postby edbeard on Fri Nov 16, 2007 4:16 am

why don't you just put Korea's border back to where it should be and put the label into the water?
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Postby yamahafazer on Fri Nov 16, 2007 4:28 am

reverend_kyle wrote:
Aerial Attack wrote:Maybe, instead of USA Only - you put Cont. USA ? Would that alleviate the Alaska confusion? Or just add to it?

Cont. = Continental (or Contiguous). Most people know that this excludes Alaska, Hawaii, and any US Territories.


At this point in time that was all of the United States, there really wasn't any states outside of the contiguous in my opinion that'd be a downgrade.

If you're too stupid to not understand the star thing, you deserve to lose.


I would agree... it's so simple to see... all you need is eyes!!
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Postby yamahafazer on Fri Nov 16, 2007 4:30 am

Just a little thing I've only just thought of.... the east has 4 clouds on it where as the west only has 3.... maybe put one on the UK or somewhere else in the west to even things up a bit...
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Postby oaktown on Fri Nov 16, 2007 9:18 am

yamahafazer wrote:Just a little thing I've only just thought of.... the east has 4 clouds on it where as the west only has 3.... maybe put one on the UK or somewhere else in the west to even things up a bit...


I had four clouds to begin, but the concern all along is that north america will be too hard to hold, and so I dropped the quebec cloud. In an east-west two player show down, hitting any one cloud will wipe out all of the west's bonus, while the eat player has multiple smaller bonuses. Dropping a cloud leaves one fewer territory to defend, which I feel actually evens up the game.

Plus the Siberia cloud is already a border - it will be defended whether or not it is a nuclear target.
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Postby yamahafazer on Sat Nov 17, 2007 7:21 am

oaktown wrote:
yamahafazer wrote:Just a little thing I've only just thought of.... the east has 4 clouds on it where as the west only has 3.... maybe put one on the UK or somewhere else in the west to even things up a bit...


I had four clouds to begin, but the concern all along is that north america will be too hard to hold, and so I dropped the quebec cloud. In an east-west two player show down, hitting any one cloud will wipe out all of the west's bonus, while the eat player has multiple smaller bonuses. Dropping a cloud leaves one fewer territory to defend, which I feel actually evens up the game.

Plus the Siberia cloud is already a border - it will be defended whether or not it is a nuclear target.


Ok yup your right. Good point. :D

Thanks for answering me anyway... 8)
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Postby oaktown on Sat Nov 17, 2007 1:35 pm

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More little stuff:
• Korea name has been moved up into the sea and the border redrawn to look like Korea again.
• I tweaked a couple of titles and army counts based on how it all looks with three digit numbers. Eastern USA, for example.

And if anybody cares...
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   <title>Duck and Cover</title>
   <smallwidth>575</smallwidth>
   <smallheight>575</smallheight>
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Postby unriggable on Sat Nov 17, 2007 6:45 pm

Final Forge?
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Postby asl80 on Sat Nov 17, 2007 10:42 pm

well done oaktown - everything that's been raised's been addressed, reakon there'll only be the nitpicking and touch ups to come as this moves into the final forge ...


(Just on the lyrics in the tune - the "And it's unlikely that we're going to disarm" line doesn't really fit smoothly with the rhyme (though the line is good in itself), what about something like "Without the chance that we'd disarm".)
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Postby I GOT SERVED on Sun Nov 18, 2007 3:36 pm

I think that the army numbers for the UK should be on top of the islands, not next to them. I just think that'd be more aesthetically pleasing, in my opinion. But you can make the final call on that.
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Postby asl80 on Tue Nov 20, 2007 9:13 pm

ahh hm.

What stage is this at now oaktown?
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Postby oaktown on Tue Nov 20, 2007 9:27 pm

asl80 wrote:What stage is this at now oaktown?

the only change to the map/graphics that has been suggested lately has been to move an army count... I didn't figure that was worth a new post.

I'm guessing people are content with the game play. I'm still a bit nervous about the potential power of the bombardments, but I guess it accurately reflects the theme of the map - living in fear of nuclear war. If you're holding the US an attack can come at any moment! :twisted:
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Postby yamahafazer on Wed Nov 21, 2007 4:12 am

I think it's good... it will be a very different map play wise and that's a good thing as it will add veriety to the site...

Good Work is all I can realy say.
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Postby Rictus on Wed Nov 21, 2007 5:27 am

I think it looks brill and really want to play!!!
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Postby Backglass on Wed Nov 21, 2007 2:07 pm

yamahafazer wrote:I think it's good... it will be a very different map play wise and that's a good thing as it will add veriety to the site...

Good Work is all I can realy say.


Agreed. Very nice work & love the theme. I can't wait to play this one as well!
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Postby Unit_2 on Wed Nov 21, 2007 2:13 pm

thanks for explaining about the persia thing, it looks good, i think it is ready for Final Forge.
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Postby spinwizard on Wed Nov 21, 2007 2:25 pm

Can u add a UK-Scandinavia link? It will improve flow...other than that it looks great! :)
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Postby yeti_c on Wed Nov 21, 2007 2:28 pm

spinwizard wrote:Can u add a UK-Scandinavia link? It will improve flow...other than that it looks great! :)


That's a secret link - all maps have a link between UK & Scandinavia - it's a foundry rule that... the second half of the rule is that you don't have to show it!!!

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