[POLY] 1st POLY Clan Challenge - FALL Wins 26-15 Final 6/28
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Re: [POLY] 1st POLY Clan Challenge - Discussion
by Chewie1 on Fri Apr 01, 2016 4:21 pm
This has changed a lot from the OP and is just starting to confuse people. ( Me at least)
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Re: [POLY] 1st POLY Clan Challenge - Discussion
by Lindax on Fri Apr 01, 2016 4:24 pm
Chewie1 wrote:This has changed a lot from the OP and is just starting to confuse people. ( Me at least)
Correct. We'll try and keep changes to a minimum. I will ask uckuki to send all clans that already signed-up a PM about the changes when they have been decided. Then they can decide to stay in or not.
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Re: [POLY] 1st POLY Clan Challenge - Discussion
by nippersean on Fri Apr 01, 2016 8:27 pm
Voted for best of 3 series.
I'm sure my reasons have been mentioned, but my tupenny worth.
I thought it better represent the challenge i.e. more a "1v1" battle at poly. Not a traditional clan challenge.
I think it would be very harsh to lose a 1v1 poly match in just 1 game of poly (2).
Particular if it was against josko going 2nd in unlim.
I think there should be some restriction on unlim. Maybe on dubs? A total ban on dubs u/l for non conquest?
Wait I requested dubs unlimited for arms race, surely that should be all right?
I'm sure my reasons have been mentioned, but my tupenny worth.
I thought it better represent the challenge i.e. more a "1v1" battle at poly. Not a traditional clan challenge.
I think it would be very harsh to lose a 1v1 poly match in just 1 game of poly (2).
Particular if it was against josko going 2nd in unlim.
I think there should be some restriction on unlim. Maybe on dubs? A total ban on dubs u/l for non conquest?
Wait I requested dubs unlimited for arms race, surely that should be all right?
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Re: [POLY] 1st POLY Clan Challenge - Discussion
by Donelladan on Sat Apr 02, 2016 1:51 am
I voted best of 3 too. Now that I understand what it means ( thx IcePack, sorry uck for not reading properly the OP):
That's an awesome idea !
@nippersean, what about, we restrict it on a serie ? Like among one serie, only 1 unlimited games among the 3 ?
That's an awesome idea !
@nippersean, what about, we restrict it on a serie ? Like among one serie, only 1 unlimited games among the 3 ?
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Re: [POLY] 1st POLY Clan Challenge - Discussion
by uckuki on Sat Apr 02, 2016 8:08 am
I hope we don't have to do separate discussion & votes in CDF. we are doing an ok job
here. best of 3 series it is (13 votes vs 2).
I'll contact those clans who signed up earlier to confirm they are ok with the new set-up,
once we have the details.
map limit only for individual players - no repeats.
we decide player limit depending on number of series.
lets do another poll to decide number of series.
we can keep it the same, lower it, or maybe do a scale, increasing number
of series with every round. I'll create a new poll.
progressive series would be something like:
1st round: 25 total: 12 + 12 + 1 (75 games)
2nd round: 33 total: 16 + 16 + 1 (99 games)
3nd round: 41 total: 20 + 20 + 1 (123 games)
finals: 49 total: 24 + 24 + 1 (147 games)
Other limits:
limit trench to max 30% of home games, round limits optional?
unlimited: not sure, whatever majority wants. is there a limit a lot of people would like
imposed. if not, we can do no limits.
here. best of 3 series it is (13 votes vs 2).
I'll contact those clans who signed up earlier to confirm they are ok with the new set-up,
once we have the details.
The only question would be if a player can have 2 series of 3, can he repeat in his series? Or each series from same player must be different maps
map limit only for individual players - no repeats.
we decide player limit depending on number of series.
lets do another poll to decide number of series.
we can keep it the same, lower it, or maybe do a scale, increasing number
of series with every round. I'll create a new poll.
progressive series would be something like:
1st round: 25 total: 12 + 12 + 1 (75 games)
2nd round: 33 total: 16 + 16 + 1 (99 games)
3nd round: 41 total: 20 + 20 + 1 (123 games)
finals: 49 total: 24 + 24 + 1 (147 games)
Other limits:
limit trench to max 30% of home games, round limits optional?
unlimited: not sure, whatever majority wants. is there a limit a lot of people would like
imposed. if not, we can do no limits.
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Re: [POLY] 1st POLY Clan Challenge - Discussion
by IcePack on Sat Apr 02, 2016 8:37 am
Chewie1 wrote:This has changed a lot from the OP and is just starting to confuse people. ( Me at least)
I think the only change was 5 games per series to 3?
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Re: [POLY] 1st POLY Clan Challenge - Discussion
by Keefie on Sat Apr 02, 2016 9:53 am
Why not just keep it to 41 matches, best of 3.
The progressive scale was suggested in tandem with single games, not a best of series.
A player should be restricted to 2 home and 2 away series per match.
No limit on trench
Unlimited forts only to be allowed in the Poly Quads (4)
The progressive scale was suggested in tandem with single games, not a best of series.
A player should be restricted to 2 home and 2 away series per match.
No limit on trench
Unlimited forts only to be allowed in the Poly Quads (4)
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Re: [POLY] 1st POLY Clan Challenge - Discussion
by Lindax on Sat Apr 02, 2016 10:56 am
Keefie wrote:Why not just keep it to 41 matches, best of 3.
The progressive scale was suggested in tandem with single games, not a best of series.
A play should be restricted to 2 home and 2 away series per match.
No limit on trench
Unlimited forts only to be allowed in the Poly Quads (4)
Something like this. Please keep changes to the original format to a minimum now that there are sign-ups.
[Edit, posted before I finished....] Seems to me that the main issue was the game load. Changing to the best of 3 series solves that. Let's see if we can leave it at that and not reinvent the whole format based on a few remarks.
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Re: [POLY] 1st POLY Clan Challenge - Discussion
by Chewie1 on Sat Apr 02, 2016 1:48 pm
Lindax wrote:Keefie wrote:Why not just keep it to 41 matches, best of 3.
The progressive scale was suggested in tandem with single games, not a best of series.
A play should be restricted to 2 home and 2 away series per match.
No limit on trench
Unlimited forts only to be allowed in the Poly Quads (4)
Something like this. Please keep changes to the original format to a minimum now that there are sign-ups.
[Edit, posted before I finished....] Seems to me that the main issue was the game load. Changing to the best of 3 series solves that. Let's see if we can leave it at that and not reinvent the whole format based on a few remarks.
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If the main issue was game load then I dont understand why teams signed up. You could tell from the OP that it was a bucket load of games.
If it becomes best of three games I think it will dilute the original idea.
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Re: [POLY] 1st POLY Clan Challenge - Discussion
by josko.ri on Sat Apr 02, 2016 8:33 pm
I think big issue is trying to restrict unlimited fort games.
For ones voicing to restrict it because it gives big advantage to the first player, why is that problem? If someone make his home game with unlimited Poly(2) he is only giving 50% to win by opponents in his HOME map. So he wasted his home advantage and is playing dumb because he should instead use home map advantage to some map/settings where he has more than 50% chance to win.
Also, I totally disagree that unlimited fort is giving huge advantage to first player, at least for Poly (3) and Poly (4) where I am playing it often and my team is winning more than 80% of the time regardless if we are playing first or second. I challenge anyone who supports restriction of unlimited forts for Poly (3) to best of 3 versus me on ww2 europe map and I guarantee that I will win regardless of playing first or second. That is because these settings are very challenging and require high strategy skills, at least for Poly (3) and Poly (4) settings. I maybe may accept it is too luck based for Poly (2), but it is really not luck based for Poly (3) and (4).
For ones voicing to restrict it because it gives big advantage to the first player, why is that problem? If someone make his home game with unlimited Poly(2) he is only giving 50% to win by opponents in his HOME map. So he wasted his home advantage and is playing dumb because he should instead use home map advantage to some map/settings where he has more than 50% chance to win.
Also, I totally disagree that unlimited fort is giving huge advantage to first player, at least for Poly (3) and Poly (4) where I am playing it often and my team is winning more than 80% of the time regardless if we are playing first or second. I challenge anyone who supports restriction of unlimited forts for Poly (3) to best of 3 versus me on ww2 europe map and I guarantee that I will win regardless of playing first or second. That is because these settings are very challenging and require high strategy skills, at least for Poly (3) and Poly (4) settings. I maybe may accept it is too luck based for Poly (2), but it is really not luck based for Poly (3) and (4).
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Re: [POLY] 1st POLY Clan Challenge - Discussion
by IcePack on Sat Apr 02, 2016 10:12 pm
FALL has no objections over unlimited use
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Re: [POLY] 1st POLY Clan Challenge - Discussion
by uckuki on Sun Apr 03, 2016 10:54 am
limits or lack of are always an issue. everybody wants a different thing. as a result we have
a different set up in pretty much all competitions. it can be unlimited here or zombies
someplace else. there is no way we can get a consensus. I an not a big fan of the whole
you can use 2 of these and 3 of those scheme. lets make it simple and have no limits on spoils
& forts. that way we don't have to worry about violations & penalties
a different set up in pretty much all competitions. it can be unlimited here or zombies
someplace else. there is no way we can get a consensus. I an not a big fan of the whole
you can use 2 of these and 3 of those scheme. lets make it simple and have no limits on spoils
& forts. that way we don't have to worry about violations & penalties
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Re: [POLY] 1st POLY Clan Challenge - Discussion
by Leehar on Sun Apr 03, 2016 1:26 pm
Ace is in for the 3 game series (if that is where I see it heading).
Slaylark and Williams5232 will head it up for us.
Slaylark and Williams5232 will head it up for us.
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Re: [POLY] 1st POLY Clan Challenge - Discussion
by uckuki on Sun Apr 03, 2016 4:42 pm
Leehar wrote:Ace is in for the 3 game series (if that is where I see it heading).
Slaylark and Williams5232 will head it up for us.
tx.
I can't really start signups until number of sets is locked in.
so far 40 + 1 has the votes.
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Re: [POLY] 1st POLY Clan Challenge - Discussion
by Tazzy_J on Mon Apr 04, 2016 7:39 am
Wow I blink and this kicked off.
ATN are happy with series of 3 not 5, one each of poly 2-3-4. Happy to leave at 41 series per round with cap of max 2 home and 2 away per person. Stick with minimum 12 players per clan?
Trench - no limit on trench - the whole point of home games is to allow people to pick their preferred settings, telling some members they can't have them seems unfair.
Unlimited - I think no restriction - tbh my guys have only picked 1 or 2 unlimited anyway...
Overall the less restrictions then the simpler it is for clans to pick their games etc...
ATN are happy with series of 3 not 5, one each of poly 2-3-4. Happy to leave at 41 series per round with cap of max 2 home and 2 away per person. Stick with minimum 12 players per clan?
Trench - no limit on trench - the whole point of home games is to allow people to pick their preferred settings, telling some members they can't have them seems unfair.
Unlimited - I think no restriction - tbh my guys have only picked 1 or 2 unlimited anyway...
Overall the less restrictions then the simpler it is for clans to pick their games etc...
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Re: [POLY] 1st POLY Clan Challenge - Discussion
by uckuki on Tue Apr 05, 2016 5:59 pm
SIGNUPS are open.
we'll stay with 41 series, with max 4 series per player.
no limit on trench and unlimited.
we'll stay with 41 series, with max 4 series per player.
no limit on trench and unlimited.
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Re: [POLY] 1st POLY Clan Challenge - SIGNUPS [2/?]
by IcePack on Tue Apr 05, 2016 6:04 pm
FALL confirms its participation
3 game series
41 series
max 4 / player
no limit on trench and unlimited
acknowledged, over and out!
3 game series
41 series
max 4 / player
no limit on trench and unlimited
acknowledged, over and out!
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Re: [POLY] 1st POLY Clan Challenge - SIGNUPS [2/?]
by The_Samurai on Wed Apr 06, 2016 1:22 am
Retribution is in.
IcePack wrote:FALL confirms its participation
3 game series
41 series
max 4 / player
no limit on trench and unlimited
acknowledged, over and out!
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Re: [POLY] 1st POLY Clan Challenge - SIGNUPS [4/?]
by Vid_FISO on Wed Apr 06, 2016 3:26 am
FISO confirm entry
If nothing else works, a total pig-headed unwillingness to look facts in the face will see us through
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Re: [POLY] 1st POLY Clan Challenge - SIGNUPS [5/?]
by owenshooter on Wed Apr 06, 2016 11:36 am
oddly enough, the black jesus and the BpB came up with this idea and were told it could never happen... still the innovators!! have fun, sheep!!!-Bj
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Re: [POLY] 1st POLY Clan Challenge - SIGNUPS [5/?]
by Keefie on Wed Apr 06, 2016 11:51 am
owenshooter wrote:oddly enough, the black jesus and the BpB came up with this idea and were told it could never happen... still the innovators!! have fun, sheep!!!-Bj
Really. Polymorphic games didn't come in until October 2013. Can't remember any meaningful discussion since then.
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Re: [POLY] 1st POLY Clan Challenge - SIGNUPS [5/?]
by rockfist on Wed Apr 06, 2016 12:55 pm
Unlimited forts is not luck based on most maps.
To be luck based there has to be some formulaic way of playing a map.
To be luck based there has to be some formulaic way of playing a map.
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Re: [POLY] 1st POLY Clan Challenge - SIGNUPS [6/?]
by Tazzy_J on Thu Apr 07, 2016 4:23 am
ATN are in, I'm main contact.
3 game series - I assume 1 each poly 2,3 and 4
41 series
max 4 / player
no limit on trench and unlimited
3 game series - I assume 1 each poly 2,3 and 4
41 series
max 4 / player
no limit on trench and unlimited
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