Freestyle / Battle Royale Improvement

by **ViperOverLord** on Fri Jan 03, 2014 11:26 pm

Changing the delay scope (in freestyle/battle royale games

The current delay scope, delays when people can deploy. Why not have the delay set to when they can attack? Because people are just trying to deploy fast and get cheap kills before the other person can deploy. This just happened to me in a battle royale freestyle game. I was a second late on deploying and the guy 6 v 3'd me for cheap points. Don't give people the option to do such cheap tactics. I would have at least had more of a chance had it been 6v6 and the deploy was effectively guaranteed.

by **iAmCaffeine** on Sat Jan 04, 2014 1:24 am

There is a 20sec delay to ensure you're ready in time.. I can understand your complaint though, given how shit you are at speed freestyle.

by **demonfork** on Sat Jan 04, 2014 1:59 am

iAmCaffeine wrote:There is a 20sec delay to ensure you're ready in time.. I can understand your complaint though, given how shit you are at speed freestyle.

by **ViperOverLord** on Sat Jan 04, 2014 2:02 am

iAmCaffeine wrote:There is a 20sec delay to ensure you're ready in time. I can understand your complaint though, given how shit you are at speed freestyle.

I implicitly referred to the delay, dude. The point is that someone can still deploy first and get a cheap kill. And yes, the current delay at least makes lessens cheap kills. But what I'm doing is taking an innovation and coming up with a way to get it better. Perhaps, you should regard that matter instead of bringing your personal baggage to the suggestions board.

by **demonfork** on Sat Jan 04, 2014 2:04 am

ViperOverLord wrote:
iAmCaffeine wrote:There is a 20sec delay to ensure you're ready in time. I can understand your complaint though, given how shit you are at speed freestyle.

I implicitly referred to the delay, dude. The point is that someone can still deploy first and get a cheap kill. And yes, the current delay at least makes lessens cheap kills. But what I'm doing is taking an innovation and coming up with a way to get it better. Perhaps, you should regard that matter instead of bringing your personal baggage to the suggestions board.

Just don't suck at freestyle and it won't be a problem.

by **ViperOverLord** on Sat Jan 04, 2014 2:39 am

demonfork wrote:
ViperOverLord wrote:
iAmCaffeine wrote:There is a 20sec delay to ensure you're ready in time. I can understand your complaint though, given how shit you are at speed freestyle.

I implicitly referred to the delay, dude. The point is that someone can still deploy first and get a cheap kill. And yes, the current delay at least makes lessens cheap kills. But what I'm doing is taking an innovation and coming up with a way to get it better. Perhaps, you should regard that matter instead of bringing your personal baggage to the suggestions board.

Just don't suck at freestyle and it won't be a problem.

You can check your baggage, too. My innovation makes the game that much better.

by **iAmCaffeine** on Sat Jan 04, 2014 2:53 am

ViperOverLord wrote:
demonfork wrote:
ViperOverLord wrote:
iAmCaffeine wrote:There is a 20sec delay to ensure you're ready in time. I can understand your complaint though, given how shit you are at speed freestyle.

I implicitly referred to the delay, dude. The point is that someone can still deploy first and get a cheap kill. And yes, the current delay at least makes lessens cheap kills. But what I'm doing is taking an innovation and coming up with a way to get it better. Perhaps, you should regard that matter instead of bringing your personal baggage to the suggestions board.

Just don't suck at freestyle and it won't be a problem.

You can check your baggage, too. My innovation makes the game that much better.

Except it doesn't. Why do non-freestylers always think they know what's best for freestyle?

by **ViperOverLord** on Sat Jan 04, 2014 3:00 am

iAmCaffeine wrote:
ViperOverLord wrote:
demonfork wrote:
ViperOverLord wrote:
iAmCaffeine wrote:There is a 20sec delay to ensure you're ready in time. I can understand your complaint though, given how shit you are at speed freestyle.

I implicitly referred to the delay, dude. The point is that someone can still deploy first and get a cheap kill. And yes, the current delay at least makes lessens cheap kills. But what I'm doing is taking an innovation and coming up with a way to get it better. Perhaps, you should regard that matter instead of bringing your personal baggage to the suggestions board.

Just don't suck at freestyle and it won't be a problem.

You can check your baggage, too. My innovation makes the game that much better.

Except it doesn't. Why do non-freestylers always think they know what's best for freestyle?

Okay, not that I consider myself a 'freestyler'; but I am 324-222 (59%) in 1v1 freestyle games. But that aside, I don't need to be a 'freestyler' to be able to make a very simple observation that improves the game. How about you actually regard the idea instead of berating me with ad hominem attacks.

by **iAmCaffeine** on Sat Jan 04, 2014 3:04 am

I have regarded the idea. It is pointless.

by **ViperOverLord** on Sat Jan 04, 2014 3:06 am

iAmCaffeine wrote:I have regarded the idea. It is pointless.

Except that it's not. A player would have to win at even numbers to start instead of double numbers; and it would keep more players in games during round 1, which is a very warranted improvement, imo.

by **demonfork** on Sat Jan 04, 2014 3:11 am

iAmCaffeine wrote:
ViperOverLord wrote:
demonfork wrote:
ViperOverLord wrote:
iAmCaffeine wrote:There is a 20sec delay to ensure you're ready in time. I can understand your complaint though, given how shit you are at speed freestyle.

I implicitly referred to the delay, dude. The point is that someone can still deploy first and get a cheap kill. And yes, the current delay at least makes lessens cheap kills. But iwhat I'm doing is taking an innovation and coming up with a way to get it better. Perhaps, you should regard that matter instead of bringing your personal baggage to the suggestions board.

Just don't suck at freestyle and it won't be a problem.

You can check your baggage, too. My innovation makes the game that much better.

Except it doesn't. Why do non-freestylers always think they know what's best for freestyle?

EXACTLY!! It's the non-freestylers that have already fucked up freestyle enough as it is.

Freestyle is a shadow of what it used to be because of all of the bulshit changes that were implemented because of whiney ass non-freestylers thinking that they know what's best for freestyle.

by **ViperOverLord** on Sat Jan 04, 2014 3:12 am

^^^
Are you able to discuss matters without making personal insults? (As is board policy). Because, I won't be replying to any more of your posts, otherwise.

by **demonfork** on Sat Jan 04, 2014 3:13 am

ViperOverLord wrote:
iAmCaffeine wrote:I have regarded the idea. It is pointless.

Except that it's not. A player would have to win at even numbers to start instead of double numbers; and it would keep more players in games during round 1, which is a very warranted improvement, imo.

Why don't you just play sequential? Why are non-freestylers always trying to turn freestyle into sequential?

by **ViperOverLord** on Sat Jan 04, 2014 3:16 am

demonfork wrote:
ViperOverLord wrote:
iAmCaffeine wrote:I have regarded the idea. It is pointless.

Except that it's not. A player would have to win at even numbers to start instead of double numbers; and it would keep more players in games during round 1, which is a very warranted improvement, imo.

Why don't you just play sequential? Why are non-freestylers always trying to turn freestyle into sequential?

Okay, well. My idea was especially for BR, which is more of a community thing than a 'freestyler' thing. Furthermore, I don't think it's objectionable to have an equitable distribution before attacking in either event. If you're mad that improvements have limited your ability to cheese, well I don't care.

by **iAmCaffeine** on Sat Jan 04, 2014 3:44 am

ViperOverLord wrote:
demonfork wrote:
ViperOverLord wrote:
iAmCaffeine wrote:I have regarded the idea. It is pointless.

Except that it's not. A player would have to win at even numbers to start instead of double numbers; and it would keep more players in games during round 1, which is a very warranted improvement, imo.

Why don't you just play sequential? Why are non-freestylers always trying to turn freestyle into sequential?

Okay, well. My idea was especially for BR, which is more of a community thing than a 'freestyler' thing. Furthermore, I don't think it's objectionable to have an equitable distribution before attacking in either event. If you're mad that improvements have limited your ability to cheese, well I don't care.

They're not improvements, they're changes, bad ones.

Of course we can hold an argument without any insults, but it's much less entertaining.

Basically, your suggestions falls flat on its arse and back up the hill with Jack & Jill because the one second slower you are to deploy and attack, you're still going to be that second slower to attack when your new delay is up.

by **ViperOverLord** on Sat Jan 04, 2014 4:29 am

iAmCaffeine wrote:
ViperOverLord wrote:
demonfork wrote:
ViperOverLord wrote:
iAmCaffeine wrote:I have regarded the idea. It is pointless.

Except that it's not. A player would have to win at even numbers to start instead of double numbers; and it would keep more players in games during round 1, which is a very warranted improvement, imo.

Why don't you just play sequential? Why are non-freestylers always trying to turn freestyle into sequential?

Okay, well. My idea was especially for BR, which is more of a community thing than a 'freestyler' thing. Furthermore, I don't think it's objectionable to have an equitable distribution before attacking in either event. If you're mad that improvements have limited your ability to cheese, well I don't care.

They're not improvements, they're changes, bad ones.

Of course we can hold an argument without any insults, but it's much less entertaining.

Basically, your suggestions falls flat on its arse and back up the hill with Jack & Jill because the one second slower you are to deploy and attack, you're still going to be that second slower to attack when your new delay is up.

There's no need for insults, and I didn't post in suggestions for your entertainment; so stop justifying your bad behavior.

Your counter argument is completely flawed. First off, if there's going to be delay on attacks, then you might as well at least allow people to deploy in the interim. Who does that hurt? Second off, people can "be that second slower" but they will at least get their opening troops in the event of an opening round battle. I can explain it further, but let's just start with that. What is wrong with that?

by **iAmCaffeine** on Sat Jan 04, 2014 6:52 am

You're just gradually diminishing the greatness of freestyle, bit by bit. I won't comment on this any further, see what others think. I can assure you however, that will only help to kill the already dwindling group of regular freestylers.

by **ViperOverLord** on Sat Jan 04, 2014 7:23 am

iAmCaffeine wrote:You're just gradually diminishing the greatness of freestyle, bit by bit. I won't comment on this any further, see what others think. I can assure you however, that will only help to kill the already dwindling group of regular freestylers.

Allowing a time to deploy during round 1 (during a time that is already allocated as a non-attack time) diminishes nothing. There's nothing great about a player being eliminated from a game before he clicks his mouse.

In the end, the fastest clickers still have a great advantage; and that is why freestyle will always be a relatively small group, imo. It's not dwindling. It's always been small. And frankly, this is just one innovation that will actually increase the willingness of players to do freestyle.

by **iAmCaffeine** on Sat Jan 04, 2014 7:47 am

ViperOverLord wrote:
iAmCaffeine wrote:You're just gradually diminishing the greatness of freestyle, bit by bit. I won't comment on this any further, see what others think. I can assure you however, that will only help to kill the already dwindling group of regular freestylers.

Allowing a time to deploy during round 1 (during a time that is already allocated as a non-attack time) diminishes nothing. There's nothing great about a player being eliminated from a game before he clicks his mouse.

In the end, the fastest clickers still have a great advantage; and that is why freestyle will always be a relatively small group, imo. It's not dwindling. It's always been small. And frankly, this is just one innovation that will actually increase the willingness of players to do freestyle.

Popularity of freestyle has not increased since the introduction of a delay, and the issue you're describing is only suitable for Battle Royales, a once a year thing.. Pointless.

by **Dukasaur** on Sat Jan 04, 2014 7:52 am

I don't have any mod powers in this forum, but if I did this would already be locked. There's no need for all the ad hominems here.

by **ViperOverLord** on Sat Jan 04, 2014 8:09 am

iAmCaffeine wrote:
ViperOverLord wrote:
iAmCaffeine wrote:You're just gradually diminishing the greatness of freestyle, bit by bit. I won't comment on this any further, see what others think. I can assure you however, that will only help to kill the already dwindling group of regular freestylers.

Allowing a time to deploy during round 1 (during a time that is already allocated as a non-attack time) diminishes nothing. There's nothing great about a player being eliminated from a game before he clicks his mouse.

In the end, the fastest clickers still have a great advantage; and that is why freestyle will always be a relatively small group, imo. It's not dwindling. It's always been small. And frankly, this is just one innovation that will actually increase the willingness of players to do freestyle.

Popularity of freestyle has not increased since the introduction of a delay, and the issue you're describing is only suitable for Battle Royales, a once a year thing.. Pointless.

Whether or not the volume of freestyle has increased (and I don't know either way); I think people see the delay as a positive thing. Starting at the the same time is just inherently fair. And if its feasible, so is allowing people to deploy during the attack delay. I don't know if I'd want that for all freestyle games or not. I think it's especially applicable for battle royale games. And these mass battle royales are done every year, so calling it pointless is just not true (as this affects literally thousands of games going forward).

Frankly, it's no skin off your back if it's instituted either.... If programmers decided, nah it's not priority, I'd accept that. But you haven't listed one way that this adversely affects you or anyone.

by **iAmCaffeine** on Sat Jan 04, 2014 8:11 am

Yes we have, it detracts from what freestyle is all about.. There isn't anything else that needs to be said. Sequential players should stay out.

by **ViperOverLord** on Sat Jan 04, 2014 8:19 am

iAmCaffeine wrote:Yes we have, it detracts from what freestyle is all about.. There isn't anything else that needs to be said. Sequential players should stay out.

You're sayin a whole lot of nothing. The same blanket statements with no reasoning whatsoever.

by **iAmCaffeine** on Sat Jan 04, 2014 8:23 am

ViperOverLord wrote:
iAmCaffeine wrote:Yes we have, it detracts from what freestyle is all about.. There isn't anything else that needs to be said. Sequential players should stay out.

You're sayin a whole lot of nothing. The same blanket statements with no reasoning whatsoever.

A lot like your suggestion.

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