[Abandoned] Alamo

by **koontz1973** on Sun Oct 28, 2012 1:23 am

Top font is best but it may not look good small.
Which cannon hit which target? Or do they all hit everything?
Figures, shrink them to half the size.
The jpegs for the walls are not good.
Go here (http://www.cgtextures.com/) and find wood planks, use them instead by shrinking to the right size.
The same can be done for an underlying texture.

Like seamus said, you are coming along and I am happy that you are trying new things. That is the only way to learn.

by **generalhead** on Sun Oct 28, 2012 9:13 am

Do these walls look good or do I need a more of an overview look on the wood. The only problem with that is you lose the fee of the palisades.

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Santa Anna is fuzzy, All the people still need re-sized better
The impassable legend needs to be changed if the walls are good.

by **tkr4lf** on Sun Oct 28, 2012 9:41 am

Coming along nicely.

Walls still need work though. I'm not a big fan of the regular walls you have now. I like previous versions of those better. Also, I like the version before this last one's palisade walls better than these you have now. But you still need some better ones than even those.

I don't know if this is just me, but I feel like the walls should all be touching. It's kind of weird having all the breaks in the walls. I understand what you're going for, having the gaps be entrances to the forts, but possibly you could make some gates instead? And have ladders on the outside of the walls in select areas that the Mexicans could use to gain access to the fort? The only place where there should be a gap is the small breach in the northern wall, basically in the middle of Bowie and B01.

Also, I still think Romero needs a cannon, too. That would have the added benefit of giving the Mexicans at least one more cannon than the Texians, to reflect there superior force.

Oh, and as for the fonts, I personally like the second and the third ones better.

I'll post some more feedback later on. Keep up the good work.

by **koontz1973** on Sun Oct 28, 2012 9:59 am

Walls still need a lot of work doing to them but do not worry. tk is right, the walls need to be touching but this leads to the problem of how to get through them so you have to have the breaks in them. Cannons need to be sorted out some more. Again shrink them down and sort out the targets better. They looked rushed. Do not rush anything, I will just go back and get you to do it again.

show: wall tutorial

by **generalhead** on Sun Oct 28, 2012 10:42 am

Yes "Boss Man", Ty tk. Good stuff Good stuff. I agree with every thing. In my original version I did have the walls enclosed and it looked a lot better, but when I expanded it posed a problem. I like the ladder Idea, I will have to see what I can do with that. I did have a cannon in Romero but deleted it. I agree putting it back would show the Mexican army superiority. The walls I will keep working on. Study, Study, Study. Thanks again gentlemen.

by **koontz1973** on Sun Oct 28, 2012 1:45 pm

GH, just done the dispatch and noticed you map is too large. You will need to scale it down to 840 wide and 800 high. Better to do this now before anything else.

by **Unstoppable!** on Thu Nov 01, 2012 5:38 pm

WOW awesome buddie real good !!!

by **generalhead** on Sat Nov 03, 2012 9:43 am

Sorry it took so long, due to the sizing and me wanting to change a bunch of things I though it would be better to start from scratch

changed all the walls
the size of Anna's territory.
the colors
I had to redo some of the people due to resizing them too many times distorted them
moved some of the canons
added ladders

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Sorry "Boss Man" I didn't see that you had posted the wall information until I posted this version of the map.
Do you like these walls, I know they still need work, or should I change them all together?
With the walls I was trying to go for a top-front view since the people and cannons are a top-front view.
I didn't know if it would mesh if I went with a top view for the walls and everything else was a top-front view.
With my lack of experience I will let you make that call "Boss Man".

My yellow target is suppose to be on Tr4, I don't know how it got into the saloon.
every needs another e
saloon is spelled wrong
check lines

by **koontz1973** on Sat Nov 03, 2012 1:19 pm

GH,
changed all the walls - Here is the thing about your walls, you have the perspective down really well, but the jpegs you have used are just atrocious. The walls themselves have white bits on them from the jpeg itself and the wooded posts have the black all around them. This is going to be the biggest thing you do on this map as the rest is coming along nicely. When I did Rorke's Drift, I had natty dread and Dim on my back constantly about my impassables, trees, river, walls and rocks. So I know what you feel when I write this. But do not get discouraged, as they are getting better.
the size of Anna's territory.
the colors
I had to redo some of the people due to resizing them too many times distorted them
moved some of the canons
added ladders
The rest is good. Some of the graphics will need to be worked on like the men, cannons and targets. Men can be worked on but I suggest you look and Flapcakes Trench map in beta now, or cairnswk', Stalingrad map for a good way to show how to do targets.

Water. could be made smoother.
Bridges, select each one (one at a time) and in the selection drop down menu, distort, invert and erase. (Copy the layer incase you hate the effect.) Play with the settings but you can get the horizontal or vertical to be smooth. So the short is smooth, long becomes jagged.
Ladders are great but may get lost with colour blind players. Use the colour menu to make them darker.

Sent you a PM.

by **generalhead** on Sat Nov 03, 2012 2:14 pm

Thank you for all of your work "Boss Man". I would rather you critique me all day and me do the map over 500 times than me put out
a crappy map. I will keep working as long as you keep telling me it's wrong. (Study, Study, Study)

by **koontz1973** on Sun Nov 04, 2012 12:14 am

generalhead wrote:Thank you for all of your work "Boss Man". I would rather you critique me all day and me do the map over 500 times than me put out
a crappy map. I will keep working as long as you keep telling me it's wrong. (Study, Study, Study)

Do not worry, we will not let you produce a crappy map.

In fact, this is far from where you started and far from crappy.

by **trinicardinal** on Sun Nov 04, 2012 7:26 am

overall nice clean graphics on the map itself. the legend on the right is definitely better now and the slight cut off of the win conditions seems to have been fixed as well.. Good luck with this one.

by **generalhead** on Sun Nov 04, 2012 11:56 am

Wow! "Boss Man" yet again you are right. this does look a lot cleaner. tell me what you think and what should change next.
If I should go with a different walls? do the rivers look better? Do you like the targets better?

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I need to work on the word spacing in the legends. Would it look back if I made the letters a little smaller?

by **koontz1973** on Sun Nov 04, 2012 12:15 pm

Walls are much better. Bung a shadow on them to see how that looks and you are 50% their.

by **Seamus76** on Sun Nov 04, 2012 12:56 pm

Looking good, the coloring has come together nicely, as well as the walls. I think a shadow will help as well. I am really disliking the cannons. The old ones were much better, and the coloring under them was better as well, but could use a little "g" blur. I'm not a fan of the legends. It's not just the font, or the spacing, which needs work, but it just all seems too thrown together with little organization. With a little work you should have it.

by **generalhead** on Sun Nov 04, 2012 1:08 pm

The legends look too boxy correct. Do you think a nice border edge would look good.
I am looking into how to do the shadow now. Koontz wrote me how to do it, i just need to go back through and figure it out.
I like these cannons because they have the Mexico and Texas flags on them which separates the two sides of the map more. I will see what every one else thinks about the cannons and make a decision then. They are smaller too which makes the map look cleaner. I need to redo the colored shadows for the cannons by making them smaller. I used the old ones to see how they looked. Again thanks for your input Seamus, you are great.

by **Seamus76** on Sun Nov 04, 2012 1:27 pm

Fair enough, but the map would look better with the old cannons, and find better flags to incorporate. The legend could use a border but that's only part of it. Make the special thanks part smaller and reduce the opacity to be more in the background, or move it all together. I think you can also lose the "winning condition" part since you say "to win" at the end. Just say "hold...OR..." this would give more room.

by **generalhead** on Sun Nov 04, 2012 1:58 pm

cool thanks buddy!

by **koontz1973** on Sun Nov 04, 2012 2:01 pm

Remove the thanks part, move yours and tks names to the bottom right at half the size.
Lost the backgrounds for the legends at the moment and just use a plain white backing for now. This will improve legibility and allow you to concentrate on other aspects of the map. Yes, the cannons did not work, use the old ones. Make the winning condition to hold all men, this will reduce the text. Impassable, reduce the images for this by 50%.
New text:
Hold all officers to win
Cannons bombard same coloured targets
Reduce the text size by a third.
All officers +1 auto deploy.
Officers and every 2 territories under his command +1
Using this text will stop you repeating yourself for both sides and reduces it.

River between Romero and the chapel is good. Do the rest like this.

Take your time. Have fun and let me know if any of this is not clear. Here to help get your map made.

by **MagnusGreeol** on Sun Nov 04, 2012 6:51 pm

Seamus76 wrote:Looking good, the coloring has come together nicely, as well as the walls. I think a shadow will help as well. I am really disliking the cannons. The old ones were much better, and the coloring under them was better as well, but could use a little "g" blur. I'm not a fan of the legends. It's not just the font, or the spacing, which needs work, but it just all seems too thrown together with little organization. With a little work you should have it.

Salut---ALL-------)
I have to agree with Seamus,, The cannons look a little stuby,,or the flag over-powers the barrel ?, Couple Questions,,I counted 54 territs on this map,,Is that enough for 8 man play,, Same as I thought for Austrum map, that the territs looked to big to be just one territ,, and can they be split up and made into more ? I'm fighting My-self to divulge these questions ,,because My lack of knowledge on the know-how,,But lose not, what You find tomorrow. You Guys are great,,keep up the good work,,Maybe some-day I'll be able to legitimately run the knowledge race,,but for now I'll watch and root from the stands '')

Lol2-All--In Life & War----Salute-------)
Sincerely, >>>----MAG-OUT----->

by **generalhead** on Sun Nov 04, 2012 8:15 pm

Magnus I appreciate the input. I believe that there is no such thing as bad input. I believe that any input makes you look over your map even closer and brings up questions that the map maker might not have thought of. Please keep up the great feed back. Your friend in battle. GH

by **generalhead** on Mon Nov 05, 2012 12:17 am

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by **koontz1973** on Mon Nov 05, 2012 12:52 am

Nice.

GH, you are so nearly there. I am so happy that you managed to get it this far in such a short space of time. Imagine what another 6+ months in the foundry will produce. Will give it a complete once over today for you.

by **tkr4lf** on Mon Nov 05, 2012 12:33 pm

Wow, this has really progressed quite a bit since I last saw it...Very nice.

The walls are much clearer now, they look good. Did you decide to scrap the palisade idea? If so, I understand why, they will be hard to make look good. I think it works either way, it doesn't have to be 100% historically accurate.

The bridges are looking better, but could still use some work.

I like the addition of the ladders. It would make sense for them to be 1-way attacks into the Alamo, I would think. If you agree, this would need to be indicated on the map somewhere.

The commanders are looking nice. Much sharper and more recognizable as commanders than before.

I think the cannons look fine as they are, but will probably need more work later on.

The map is nice and clear, the gameplay is clear, all in all, everything looks much, much better than it did when I saw this last week. Sorry it took so long for me to respond, I've been busy and not on CC as much lately. But I will comment some more when you make another update. Keep up the good work!