Trench warfare 1917 [Quenched]

by **Flapcake** on Mon Dec 19, 2011 7:13 am

Ghanges: Legend, pattern on trench floor

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by **isaiah40** on Mon Dec 19, 2011 11:15 am

Shell holes in the legend should read "Shell Holes (S1,S3,S4,S6) Bombard closest Fox Hole" Also you need to change the US flag again to the 48 star flag as you have the current flag pictured there.

by **Flapcake** on Mon Dec 19, 2011 12:18 pm

isaiah40 wrote:Shell holes in the legend should read "Shell Holes (S1,S3,S4,S6) Bombard closest Fox Hole" Also you need to change the US flag again to the 48 star flag as you have the current flag pictured there.

Yes ofc, your absolut right on both isues.

Corrected.

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by **General Brock II** on Mon Dec 19, 2011 2:49 pm

phantomzero wrote:Question regarding the allied flags. Why choose only those 3?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/World_War_I_casualties

Australia
Canada
Indian Empire
New Zealand
South Africa
Belgium
Greece
Italy
Empire of Japan
Montenegro
Portugal
Romania
Russian Empire
Serbia

Also fought in the war and sustained casualties.

The nations that you mentioned are all minor allies and were usually just integrated into a part of the French/British front. In fact, John J. Pershing had to fight to have the Americans given their own front... Otherwise the American soldiers would have just replaced worn out British/French units on British/French fronts.

Russia fought in the East and had its own trench system designs, so that would be a ludicrous flag to have on a Western front.

Certainly the Canadians, South Africans, Newfoundlanders, New Zealanders sacrificed a lot (the Newfoundland Regiment was virtually wiped out at the Somme), but they weren't the main contenders. For simplicity's sake, and historical accuracy, Flapcake has got it right.

Although the Austro-Hungarian Army fought closely with the German army on the Western and Eastern fronts, and I'm not quite sure why its flag isn't shown, but I also think it's too late to change that, now.

by **Flapcake** on Mon Dec 19, 2011 8:39 pm

General Brock II wrote:
phantomzero wrote:Question regarding the allied flags. Why choose only those 3?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/World_War_I_casualties

Australia
Canada
Indian Empire
New Zealand
South Africa
Belgium
Greece
Italy
Empire of Japan
Montenegro
Portugal
Romania
Russian Empire
Serbia

Also fought in the war and sustained casualties.

The nations that you mentioned are all minor allies and were usually just integrated into a part of the French/British front. In fact, John J. Pershing had to fight to have the Americans given their own front... Otherwise the American soldiers would have just replaced worn out British/French units on British/French fronts.

Russia fought in the East and had its own trench system designs, so that would be a ludicrous flag to have on a Western front.

Certainly the Canadians, South Africans, Newfoundlanders, New Zealanders sacrificed a lot (the Newfoundland Regiment was virtually wiped out at the Somme), but they weren't the main contenders. For simplicity's sake, and historical accuracy, Flapcake has got it right.

Although the Austro-Hungarian Army fought closely with the German army on the Western and Eastern fronts, and I'm not quite sure why its flag isn't shown, but I also think it's too late to change that, now.

That question are already answered longer back in this thread and I have nothing more to add.

by **Flapcake** on Sat Jan 07, 2012 7:26 am

Hi guys, any inputs/comments for grafic? so we can move this on

by **koontz1973** on Sat Jan 07, 2012 9:01 am

Flapcake wrote:Hi guys, any inputs/comments for grafic? so we can move this on

The only thing I can see, and this is blinding me to all other things are the flags.

Union Jack - Stars & Stripes - French Tricolour
should be
Stars & Stripes - French Tricolour - Union Jack

by **Flapcake** on Sat Jan 07, 2012 3:47 pm

koontz1973 wrote:
Flapcake wrote:Hi guys, any inputs/comments for grafic? so we can move this on

The only thing I can see, and this is blinding me to all other things are the flags.

Union Jack - Stars & Stripes - French Tricolour
should be
Stars & Stripes - French Tricolour - Union Jack

Your wish will come through

np

by **Flapcake** on Sun Jan 08, 2012 6:48 am

update: flag swapped, small shadow corrections.

My Dear Koontz, I asume that you will do the XML

well you have to now becourse your name are already on the map :mrgreen:

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by **koontz1973** on Sun Jan 08, 2012 8:20 am

More than happy to do the xml for you. Thanks for the flag swap, now I can see the rest of the map (as my flag is front and centre).

From a GP point of view, I see noting inherently wrong with what you have. Not in the opening post, but with the troop deployments, I take it a player will start all over the place (apart from neutral starts). So a player will start as both Allied and axis.

A few small jobs to do.

The red yellow arrows are slightly pixelated. Lower the opacity of the yellow enough and this should sort it out.
The green at the top/bottom would never of happened. To many shells fell onto the trenches. Try to make this more muddy but different enough from the centre to allow for a quick distinction. Also, add more rubble to the areas as well.

by **Flapcake** on Sun Jan 08, 2012 9:00 am

koontz1973 wrote:From a GP point of view, I see noting inherently wrong with what you have. Not in the opening post, but with the troop deployments, I take it a player will start all over the place (apart from neutral starts). So a player will start as both Allied and axis.

Yes, who is who is not the importent isue, but to have full meaning of no man´s land, opositive playes must start on each side of NM land
can that be done ?

koontz1973 wrote:A few small jobs to do.
The red yellow arrows are slightly pixelated. Lower the opacity of the yellow enough and this should sort it out.
The green at the top/bottom would never of happened. To many shells fell onto the trenches. Try to make this more muddy but different enough from the centre to allow for a quick distinction. Also, add more rubble to the areas as well.

Il give it a overhaul.

by **Flapcake** on Sun Jan 08, 2012 10:42 am

Update:

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by **koontz1973** on Sun Jan 08, 2012 10:50 am

Nice, the changes work so far.

Next is the shell holes.

Try to make the colour in the German and allied lines more similar to the colours to the actual areas they are in.
The 6 in the centre could go a little more to the red but they are not so bad.

by **Flapcake** on Mon Jan 09, 2012 1:52 pm

koontz1973 wrote:Nice, the changes work so far.
Next is the shell holes.
Try to make the colour in the German and allied lines more similar to the colours to the actual areas they are in.
The 6 in the centre could go a little more to the red but they are not so bad.

Taken care of 8-)

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by **Flapcake** on Fri Jan 20, 2012 2:07 pm

Graphic comment ? or stamp ? :mrgreen:

by **natty dread** on Fri Jan 20, 2012 2:12 pm

Graphics stamp isn't given before the small version is done...

by **isaiah40** on Fri Jan 20, 2012 2:20 pm

natty_dread wrote:Graphics stamp isn't given before the small version is done...

This is true.

That said, I still think you need to change the color of the German Artillery to the same color as the Allied ones.

by **Flapcake** on Fri Jan 20, 2012 8:25 pm

isaiah40 wrote: I still think you need to change the color of the German Artillery to the same color as the Allied ones.

Well I want to keep the colour as the airplains to avoin any doubth for who is who.

Small version comming up on next update

by **natty dread** on Fri Jan 20, 2012 8:28 pm

Why not use the actual colours they used in the war?

I doubt very much germans had many bright pink planes.

by **Flapcake** on Sat Jan 21, 2012 1:36 pm

German canons colour changed, small map added.

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by **bryguy** on Sun Jan 22, 2012 12:25 pm

- Those pink airplanes look terrible. Color-wise. Would any german airforce really fly bright pink airplanes? I'd suggest changing the colors on them. It seems you mentioned earlier on that you "Didn't want people to get them confused with the american airplanes", but I really don't see that happening. All anyone has to do is pay the slightest bit of attention and they should be able to tell which is which.

- The year is 1917 in this? Luftwaffe wasn't formed until 1933. What you have here is the Imperial German Army Air Service - the Luftstreitkräfte.

by **koontz1973** on Sun Jan 22, 2012 12:42 pm

bryguy wrote:- The year is 1917 in this? Luftwaffe wasn't formed until 1933. What you have here is the Imperial German Army Air Service - the Luftstreitkräfte.

While not bright pink, the planes where reddish in colour. A slight change to the red would be better for historical reasons. And the name change would be more accurate. While at it you can change the British planes to Royal Flying Corps. I just hope you have the room for them though.

by **bryguy** on Sun Jan 22, 2012 1:12 pm

koontz1973 wrote:
bryguy wrote:- The year is 1917 in this? Luftwaffe wasn't formed until 1933. What you have here is the Imperial German Army Air Service - the Luftstreitkräfte.

While not bright pink, the planes where reddish in colour. A slight change to the red would be better for historical reasons. And the name change would be more accurate. While at it you can change the British planes to Royal Flying Corps. I just hope you have the room for them though.

A reddish color would be more fitting. Not too bright of a red though, but not especially a dull red.

by **natty dread** on Sun Jan 22, 2012 1:42 pm

koontz1973 wrote:While not bright pink, the planes where reddish in colour.

Only the red baron's plane was red. Other german planes were kinda brownish if I recall correctly.

by **bryguy** on Sun Jan 22, 2012 1:51 pm

natty_dread wrote:
koontz1973 wrote:While not bright pink, the planes where reddish in colour.

Only the red baron's plane was red. Other german planes were kinda brownish if I recall correctly.

Actually looking it up, it appears that they may have been multicolored. Reading about it, it looks like they used multiple polygon-shaped colors for a form of camouflage.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Fokker_D_VII.jpg

I doubt that actually drawing polygons like these with various colors and then scaling it down to the appropriate size for these aircraft is very feasible. Maybe averaging out the colors to come up with something?

Edit: I think averaging them out would give a sort of brownish-green color.
Of course, the red could be used simply because it has come to be associated somewhat with german world war 1 aircraft, simply because of the red baron. It would help keep them distinguishable.

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