[Abandoned] - Europe 1099 - The 1st Crusade

by **Aline_Cedrac** on Mon Feb 01, 2010 4:36 pm

This map is looking greater than ever...!I am seriously looking forward to play on it with you...*.*

Aline. :oops:

(I am so happy to have all the news on this map first!Wee! :oops:

)

by **natty dread** on Mon Feb 01, 2010 4:52 pm

Overall, the map looks great. But I'm not a huge fan of those mountains. They could use some work IMO.

Right now they kinda look like tents or something. I'm just saying, judging by the quality of the rest of the map, I'm sure you could come up with something better for the mountains.

Also the legend needs a bit clarification. The first two bonuses, yershalaim + roma (+1) and yershalaim + roma + shield (+2)... When you hold the latter bonus, which is the same as the former but with a shield territory, will you get both bonuses (+3) or does the latter bonus override the former, so that you only get the +2? This should be explained in the legend.

by **RedBaron0** on Mon Feb 01, 2010 10:51 pm

"Aragon" on the small map is covering the sea connector from Medina. In the legend the 5's look almost like the 3's. I dunno what you can do about that short of changing the font...

by **pamoa** on Tue Feb 02, 2010 3:13 am

pamoa wrote:sorry to ask but you have a symbol in your legend looking like a cedar tree
where is it on the map ?

Beko the Great wrote:It's the Pope's cross and it's in Roma.

then on the small map you have to move the name and the cross
so the cross is inside the territory not on the border
where it confounds with the line
and maybe change its colour
as it is almost the same as port anchors

by **Beko the Great** on Tue Feb 02, 2010 6:28 am

Aline_Cedrac wrote:This map is looking greater than ever...!I am seriously looking forward to play on it with you...*.*

Aline.

(I am so happy to have all the news on this map first!Wee! )

Thank you for your very support from the very beginning to the very ending! :oops:

pamoa wrote:
pamoa wrote:sorry to ask but you have a symbol in your legend looking like a cedar tree
where is it on the map ?

Beko the Great wrote:It's the Pope's cross and it's in Roma.

then on the small map you have to move the name and the cross
so the cross is inside the territory not on the border
where it confounds with the line
and maybe change its colour
as it is almost the same as port anchors

Ok! I'll do it!

RedBaron0 wrote:"Aragon" on the small map is covering the sea connector from Medina. In the legend the 5's look almost like the 3's. I dunno what you can do about that short of changing the font...

I'll see what I can do.

natty_dread wrote:Overall, the map looks great. But I'm not a huge fan of those mountains. They could use some work IMO.

Right now they kinda look like tents or something. I'm just saying, judging by the quality of the rest of the map, I'm sure you could come up with something better for the mountains.

Also the legend needs a bit clarification. The first two bonuses, yershalaim + roma (+1) and yershalaim + roma + shield (+2)... When you hold the latter bonus, which is the same as the former but with a shield territory, will you get both bonuses (+3) or does the latter bonus override the former, so that you only get the +2? This should be explained in the legend.

About the mountains there was a problem with the last mountain between HRE and Balkans but consider it solved. About that issue in the legend I hadn't noticed but indeed it is quite confuse. The point is that one gets one army for Yerushalahyim and Roma and plus 2 for any shield. I'll have to work on the text in the legend.

Thank you all once again!

Cheers!

by **Beko the Great** on Tue Feb 02, 2010 1:53 pm

Here it is the version 22 of this map!:

Large

Click image to enlarge.

Small

Click image to enlarge.

Changes:
In the legend it is clear now that Yerushalahyim and Rome are worth of 1 army and you receive extra +2 for any shield owned;
Mountains between the Balkans and HRE are now more natural. I won't change the style of the mountains because I realy like them and I think it suites the map.
In the small map, the pope's cross is now totaly inside Roma and doesn't look like a cedar tree anymore!
In the small map, Aragon is not covering the sea route anymore.

I hope that no more changes are needed!

by **natty dread** on Tue Feb 02, 2010 2:18 pm

The legend is better now. However, IMO it would be even better like this:

# & ! +1 with additional +2 for each @

where # represents the yershalaim symbol, ! is the rome symbol and @ is a shield.

The mountains... meh, I guess it's a matter of personal preference. They still look like huts to me, but it's not going to keep me from playing the map. There are maps with worse mountains in play. However I would like it if you would at least try some alternatives. Maybe some steeper mountains, with sharper points? I do like the colour of the mountains, just the shape seems wrong.

by **MrBenn** on Sun Feb 07, 2010 4:29 pm

Hmmmm

Just a random thought really... How was the First Crusade known before there was a second one? Would it be appropriate to relabel

by **Industrial Helix** on Sun Feb 07, 2010 4:40 pm

MrBenn wrote:Hmmmm

Just a random thought really... How was the First Crusade known before there was a second one? Would it be appropriate to relabel

A nitpick better suited to the FF, I propose this map moves on.

But I see your point Benn. On one hand we're all of the 21st century looking back, logically it is the first crusade. (Also there was no qualm made over WWI Ottoman Empire).

But perhaps something like The Great Crusade might work... The Crusade sounds just to plain to me.

And speaking of the Second Crusade... has anyone given any thought to it? We've got 1 and 3.

by **skeletonboy** on Sun Feb 07, 2010 5:06 pm

Its difficult to tell the colours on the legends, especially the small one. You could do with making the crests a bit bigger.

by **RedBaron0** on Tue Feb 09, 2010 11:58 am

eh, go back to the old 3, it's the 5 that needs fixing

I've quick fiddled with it, you'll have an easier time then I did with it and I didn't do much. I copied the middle of the 5 from the upright to half way down the middle of the loop. Then I pasted it 1 pixel lower and filled the extra pixel into the upright of the 5. It's a big difference.

Before/After

by **Beko the Great** on Wed Feb 10, 2010 12:35 pm

MrBenn wrote:Hmmmm

Just a random thought really... How was the First Crusade known before there was a second one? Would it be appropriate to relabel

I think relabel would only confuse things. Since there is already a Third Crusade map with that name, rename this map makes no sense. Also I didn't find no references of how it was named before there was a second one. I think it's a minor issue and the Label is good as it is.

RedBaron0 wrote:eh, go back to the old 3, it's the 5 that needs fixing

I've quick fiddled with it, you'll have an easier time then I did with it and I didn't do much. I copied the middle of the 5 from the upright to half way down the middle of the loop. Then I pasted it 1 pixel lower and filled the extra pixel into the upright of the 5. It's a big difference.

Before/After

Thanks for the tip! I'll work on it as soon as possible!

Cheers!

by **RedBaron0** on Tue Feb 23, 2010 12:15 am

Looking forward to your next update, we've talked about the 5's & 3's, so you've got my suggestion there. Couple other things, your mountains, recently mentioned by natty, I also agree they could use a little change, they just seem a bit too uniform. Give us a few in the same style that are a bit taller, or more craggy, and just mix them in the one you already have. A few of your territory names are awfully close together too, especially on the small map. Like Navarra and Gasconge, reordering the objects in that area is a good idea, 1 less mountain, move the territory circles a little bit here and there and that should clear up any problems that may arise. Give a good look to see if there isn't any other areas like this, Greece might have this going on too, and I'd reverse the position of the army circle and the territory name Dimashq. Oh, 1 last thing, what exactly is Mayurga? The name is sitting out in the middle of the Med not really connected to any territory I can see.

by **RedBaron0** on Sun Mar 07, 2010 11:28 am

There has been no update since the last fortnightly review. If there is no update by the mapmaker by the next fortnightly review in roughly 2 weeks this map will be considered stalled and moved to the Recycling bin.

by **00iCon** on Mon Mar 08, 2010 2:35 am

It's funny how Third Crusade was begun later and finished earlier.

by **Incandenza** on Mon Mar 08, 2010 7:57 am

C'mon, Beko, this is a quality map.

by **Industrial Helix** on Mon Mar 08, 2010 8:39 am

Meh, I think its being nitpicked to death. It's a great map and certainly beautiful, I really hope to see it move on.

by **kawe85** on Sun Mar 21, 2010 4:20 pm

It's really nice map.
But I think you can better change the name turk to Ottoman.
Because they where not there on that time!

by **thenobodies80** on Wed Mar 24, 2010 4:32 am

A couple of small things that i noticed only now:

- With Garnata i think that you mean Granata or Granada
- The sea connections between England and Friesland could be refined a bit, because it looks a bit different from the others you have done, but is a few pixels thing that you should be able to fix in few minutes.

by **Kabanellas** on Wed Mar 24, 2010 7:33 am

kawe85 wrote:It's really nice map.
But I think you can better change the name turk to Ottoman.
Because they where not there on that time!

yes they were : The Seljuq Turks

The Ottoman Empire appeared in the 14th century, not being a part of this time frame.

by **thenobodies80** on Wed Apr 07, 2010 3:39 am

[Moved]

It would appear that development of this map has stalled. If the mapmaker wants to continue with the map, then one of the Foundry Moderators will be able to help put the thread back into the Foundry system, after an update has been made. ;-)