[Abandoned] - Iron Curtain

by **the.killing.44** on Tue May 19, 2009 10:15 pm

Yeah I don't mind it either RJ, but that isn't in the .psd. Nor is the curtain or any other fence but the one I posted in the first post. I've also updated the minimap to the current map colors. Here's another step in a direction:
Do you think the wall should extend behind the map and show around it, or stop before the map starts, like I've shown? I've also been discussion having the wall crumble off on a side, but I dunno because of size issues.

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.44

by **whitestazn88** on Tue May 19, 2009 11:23 pm

by the way, i like this map

glad its back to production

by **the.killing.44** on Thu May 21, 2009 7:36 pm

So, do I need to get this outta drafts again although it already has [I]?

MrBenn wrote:After discussion with RjBeals, this map has been moved into temporary retirement.

When you're ready to get going again, let one of the CAs know and we'll throw you back into the Foundry

Mr B

.44

P.S. I wantz moar commentz

by **thenobodies80** on Fri May 22, 2009 6:27 am

Damn! Killing , Can't you work on a map with easier names? :lol:

The map is wonderful.
It's clear it's a RJ map at the first look.

Can you add/explain in some way the impassables? And (personal opinion) i 'don't like the impassable colors...
I think some colors aren't so colorblind friendly (i'm not colorblind so i can't confirm you at 100%):
Bashkortostan and svedlovsk are similar for example. (try a test with vischeck
Volgorad has not the same color in the minimap and in the main map
The wall is a good option for title and mapmaker names, but the title could be done better, the last one is floating on the wall ( i know you can )

About the map placement, i think that Mr.Benn did a good choice.
The map had the idea stamp, but you're not RJ....(like bryguy with Spaceness map....same map but different mapmaker).
Anyway i don't think this map will be in the drafting room for a long time...

thenobodies80

by **MrBenn** on Fri May 22, 2009 12:28 pm

For the record, I didn't revive the map thread... it had already been done by the time I went to do it ;-)

by **pamoa** on Fri May 22, 2009 5:12 pm

idea
couldn't be the wall a bit higher and the minimap engraved in it?

by **Mr. Squirrel** on Fri May 22, 2009 6:50 pm

I think the wall is a good idea, I just don't like how it contrasts with the dark colors that border the rest of the map. Could you make the wall a bit grayer or maybe add some graffiti to it?

by **MrBenn** on Fri May 22, 2009 7:00 pm

I prefer the concrete style wall in the background, and will now move you to the right place... Welcome to the Foundry Proper ;-)

by **the.killing.44** on Sat May 23, 2009 11:38 am

thenobodies80 wrote:Damn! Killing , Can't you work on a map with easier names?

Can you add/explain in some way the impassables? And (personal opinion) i 'don't like the impassable colors...

Added. I like the color. A grungy red suits the dark Soviet theme IMO.

I think some colors aren't so colorblind friendly (i'm not colorblind so i can't confirm you at 100%):

There's two, as the third was literally exactly the same as the second (try it yourself if you don't believe me). they seem fine except Perm is a bit like Baskhortostan. Any colorblind people want to add some input?

Volgorad has not the same color in the minimap and in the main map

Well if you hid the lighting effects it would, but burnt

The wall is a good option for title and mapmaker names, but the title could be done better, the last one is floating on the wall ( i know you can )

I fussed around a bit …

pamoa wrote:couldn't be the wall a bit higher and the minimap engraved in it?

In theory that's genius, but when I tried it out two things happen: a) it's colorful and doesn't fit the gray wall; and b) i set it to gray and the colorful purpose is negated. So I left it as is.

Mr. Squirrel wrote:I think the wall is a good idea, I just don't like how it contrasts with the dark colors that border the rest of the map. Could you make the wall a bit grayer or maybe add some graffiti to it?

Darkened.

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May 23rd updates

Updated wall & title (and decorations/names)
Changed minimap colors to real ones (included updating Volgorad
Changed minimap font to Bold Italic & increased size
Added impassable note.

Discussion Points

Title thoughts?
Is the note visible enough?
Random note: should "Volgorad" be "Volgograd" like I'm thinking?

by **The Neon Peon** on Sat May 23, 2009 11:53 am

I liked the original title a lot more with the fence.

by **the.killing.44** on Sat May 23, 2009 12:16 pm

The Neon Peon wrote:I liked the original title a lot more with the fence.

Quite honestly so did I. Do people like the big 3D hammer & sickel, or should I get it to look like it's part of the fence?

.44

by **RjBeals** on Sat May 23, 2009 10:06 pm

(FYI) When i started this map, with all the different bonus regions, i never intended each region to be a uniquely different color. Bit of 44 wants to keep/change colors - it's his call.

by **karelpietertje** on Sun May 24, 2009 6:06 am

I like this map, it's nicely big!
I would like the bonuses to be bigger, but I bet that has been carefully discussed already, in the 18 pages of this thread :lol:

look forward to playing this!

by **TaCktiX** on Sun May 24, 2009 7:52 am

Volgograd would be the proper term. Consider Petrograd (Leningrad at this point, they renamed St. Petersburg three or four times) and Stalingrad. This is Soviet Russia!

by **Kaplowitz** on Sun May 24, 2009 11:29 am

I liked this idea:

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by **captainwalrus** on Sun May 24, 2009 9:24 pm

I'm glad to see this continued. This is the first map I ever looked at, I forget why, but I saw it someone's sig before I new anything about the forum and I loved it. I didn't know where it went, since it was a few months afterwards that I actualy started to post in the foundery. It looks really good, we need more big terrirory maps. The Rostov bonus seems a bit heavy, considering that everything else seems to be a bit light.

by **the.killing.44** on Mon May 25, 2009 8:01 pm

v post below v

by **the.killing.44** on Mon May 25, 2009 10:27 pm

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the.killing.44 wrote:Okay tried to recreate one of RJ's old ones for Rev. 11.

REV. 11
May 26th Updates
Attempt at title … not 100% there
Swapped quote with title location-wise
Small things

I'll post about that gameplay stuff later. Plus I have something I wrote up about the titles. I'll also get to work on the small to check things out.

.44

by **iancanton** on Tue May 26, 2009 4:47 pm

there are at least three things about this map that aren't representative of the eastern bloc.

the geography is all over the place. various countries have been lumped together into one bonus zone for no particular reason other than that they're small and adjacent (for example east germany, poland and czechoslovakia), while other regions have been put into a different bonus zone from every other region of their country (for example basarabia). some regions have been named after cities, others after districts or republics, with numerous misspellings.

the eastern regions have been subdivided too many times into increasingly-obscure areas that are too small, so there's no sense of moving from the relatively industrialised west to the vast open expanses that characterise the russian steppe as we advance eastward. the impassables are like the ones in brazil: not real in any sense and therefore just as awkward to represent.

the pastel colours feel at odds with the harshness of the communist regime. i had always imagined such a map to be coloured in the mould of eastern front.

this could almost be a map of anywhere. this one doesn't compare with charleston, rj!

ian.

by **RjBeals** on Tue May 26, 2009 4:55 pm

iancanton wrote:
this could almost be a map of anywhere. this one doesn't compare with charleston, rj!

ian.

That's why I abandoned it Ian.

by **iancanton** on Tue May 26, 2009 5:02 pm

that makes sense! good luck to .44 in fashioning a forge-worthy map from the ashes!

ian.

by **the.killing.44** on Tue May 26, 2009 5:11 pm

By all means, if you have suggestions for the names, bonus regions, etc. — go ahead. I'm not the one for those, and I'm curious to the misspellings. The colors, yeah I see that. But by "Eastern Front" you surely don't mean qwert's map, do you?

Colors, I'm thinking more reds, browns, and grays (and ones that span that color range) — less to no greens and blues.

Impassables, yes I know. Once again, is there a better way to do it? tbh, I'd rather not draw mountains on here, although rivers wouldn't be a bad thing. There's just something that isn't for the realistic land features in my mind.

If you have suggestions for the above things, I'd like to know them. Bonus regions and names of territories are all up as always. RJ used to have subregions defined by different borders, but those were just confusing in my mind. Basarabia is Moldovia, but putting that into a different region would be wrong. Would you like to see it put in the minimap? Would you like those country lines put back?

Also, instead of just saying that I misspelled things please tell me what is misspelled

Thanks,
.44

by **LED ZEPPELINER** on Tue May 26, 2009 5:12 pm

I feel like Moscow is an important territory, from reading the Quote, so i think that it would be cool if you did something special, like a +1 or something

by **RjBeals** on Tue May 26, 2009 5:26 pm

I would guess people would expect to see the poland map when they hear "iron curtain"..
and the barbed wire is a good idea for impassibles. But don't copy this map if you do that.

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by **lt_oddball** on Thu May 28, 2009 7:17 am

shouldn't you add Joseph Goebbels feb 1945 to the iron curtain quote ? :oops:

And perhaps change title to "Behind the Iron Curtain" (sounds more ominous and actually more correct, because you show ALL the regions from berlin to the urals).

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