[Abandoned] - Switzerland

by **Ruben Cassar** on Wed Jun 25, 2008 1:04 pm

Remove the names of the regions from the top right corner and put the names of the various regions next to their location in the minimap.

How else can people know which region they are trying to conquer or attack?

by **ZeakCytho** on Wed Jun 25, 2008 1:07 pm

Ruben Cassar wrote:How else can people know which region they are trying to conquer or attack?

Do they really need to know? I mean, they can see the bonus from the minimap. It's nice to have names, but I wouldn't say it's necessary.

by **Ruben Cassar** on Wed Jun 25, 2008 3:28 pm

ZeakCytho wrote:
Ruben Cassar wrote:How else can people know which region they are trying to conquer or attack?

Do they really need to know? I mean, they can see the bonus from the minimap. It's nice to have names, but I wouldn't say it's necessary.

It is imperative to have the regions' names in team games or else there will be confusion between the players when they try to communicate.

by **ZeakCytho** on Wed Jun 25, 2008 3:33 pm

Ruben Cassar wrote:
ZeakCytho wrote:
Ruben Cassar wrote:How else can people know which region they are trying to conquer or attack?

Do they really need to know? I mean, they can see the bonus from the minimap. It's nice to have names, but I wouldn't say it's necessary.

It is imperative to have the regions' names in team games or else there will be confusion between the players when they try to communicate.

You could always call the continents by their colors, or by the territories in them, ex. "the continent with Bern in it" or "the grey continent." But it's probably better to have the names. As I said, either revamp the box with the names or follow what Ruben said earlier and put the names next to the continent. But if for some reason you can't get them to look good, it's probably better not to have them.

by **Kaplowitz** on Wed Jun 25, 2008 3:42 pm

Its okay, the next version has a better box, and a flag.

by **Kaplowitz** on Wed Jun 25, 2008 7:40 pm

v29

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-Added a flag (can you read Svizzera?)
-Fixed the stroke on the continent names, these should all match now. I also changed it from 3 pxls to 2pxls
-I also added a picture to make it less bland (good?)

by **ZeakCytho** on Wed Jun 25, 2008 7:43 pm

Still looks like you have color-leaking problems in Jura, Neuchatel, Fribourg, and Vaud, on both the large, small, and in the minimaps.

The continent name box looks better. I like the small, but the large still feels big. Maybe reduce the stroke on the continent names in just the large by a pixel or two.

by **edbeard** on Wed Jun 25, 2008 7:56 pm

gameplay-wise, I really don't like the western part of the map.

The purple region has 5 borders but only against one continent. +5

The grey region has 5 borders against all four other continents and is +4

Can you remind me how you split all this up because even if the bonuses are correct, I'm not a fan of how you've split it there. I'm not saying, "hey edbeard doesn't like it so do it my way". I'm just trying to figure out if you think it's for the best gameplay-wise. And, if you do, at least get the bonuses to be correct.

by **pamoa** on Thu Jun 26, 2008 2:15 am

edbeard wrote:gameplay-wise, I really don't like the western part of the map.
The purple region has 5 borders but only against one continent. +5
The grey region has 5 borders against all four other continents and is +4
Can you remind me how you split all this up because even if the bonuses are correct, I'm not a fan of how you've split it there. I'm not saying, "hey edbeard doesn't like it so do it my way". I'm just trying to figure out if you think it's for the best gameplay-wise. And, if you do, at least get the bonuses to be correct.

It's a lingustic/cultural division: Romandie is the french speaking part; Graubüunden is the southern alps with italian speaking part; Innerschweiz represent the original states which founded Switzerland taking their independance against the Habsburg; Bern dominion correspond to former most powerful Canton in swiss history; Zürich influence is the sphere of influence of the actual economic center of Switzerland.
About bonus structure, applying Oaktown's continent bonus spreadsheet I find: Romandie 5; Bern 5; Innerschweiz 4; Graubünden 3; Zürich 4

by **Kaplowitz** on Thu Jun 26, 2008 11:07 am

Well i had all the bonuses as -1...
But i think they could be changed, as there have been some border changed since I made those bonuses.

by **t-o-m** on Thu Jun 26, 2008 11:16 am

i dont think that the mountains fit in with the theme of the map.
the map looks ina way metalicy for me which doesnt say swtizerland at all, i cant find anything that says switzerland on this map other than the title.
also, i thought your sig was a country name! :lol:

by **mibi** on Thu Jun 26, 2008 10:32 pm

t-o-m wrote:i dont think that the mountains fit in with the theme of the map.
the map looks ina way metalicy for me which doesnt say swtizerland at all, i cant find anything that says switzerland on this map other than the title.
also, i thought your sig was a country name!

agreed. where is the Switz! .... again, this is Transylvania.

by **Kaplowitz** on Fri Jun 27, 2008 8:38 pm

any suggestions? I think you guys are the only ones saying this...and im stumped!

by **AndyDufresne** on Fri Jun 27, 2008 9:05 pm

I think I chimed in the lack of Swiss feeling in this also...back some page ago.

--Andy

by **Kaplowitz** on Fri Jun 27, 2008 9:09 pm

so any suggestions? Tom doesnt like the mts...but that cant be it!

by **lanyards** on Fri Jun 27, 2008 9:15 pm

Sorry Kap, I don't like the mountains much either, or the borders. They look like they are different sizes in different places. But I really like the dead space looks surrounding Swissland. Nice job.

--lanyards

by **Kaplowitz** on Fri Jun 27, 2008 9:33 pm

lanyards wrote:Sorry Kap, I don't like the mountains much either, or the borders. They look like they are different sizes in different places. But I really like the dead space looks surrounding Swissland. Nice job.

--lanyards

Okay, the mountains will change.
But the borders are wider around continents, do you mean different sizes other than that?

by **lanyards** on Fri Jun 27, 2008 9:37 pm

Kaplowitz wrote:
lanyards wrote:Sorry Kap, I don't like the mountains much either, or the borders. They look like they are different sizes in different places. But I really like the dead space looks surrounding Swissland. Nice job.

--lanyards

Okay, the mountains will change.
But the borders are wider around continents, do you mean different sizes other than that?

Yeah, the border between Ticino and Thusis looks thicker than the rest, the are a couple of others that look a little thick too. And the kinda look too jaggedy and pixelated in some places. And the river water looks a little too bright mabye.

--lanyards

by **Kaplowitz** on Sun Jun 29, 2008 12:54 pm

Is this an improvement?

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by **lanyards** on Sun Jun 29, 2008 3:09 pm

Territory borders look better, I don't know about redness.

--lanyards

by **t-o-m** on Sun Jun 29, 2008 3:24 pm

the map is just so...dark!

switzlerland is full of wealthy, prospoerous, people. its bright and light hearted. sunny things like that.

what can i infer here?

dark,
themes in the map contrast in a bad way,
things dont go,
some metalicy colours and some plain basic colours,
it looks like its glowing to me in some places,

overall its just really dark - its needs to be really bright!

by **lanyards** on Sun Jun 29, 2008 4:30 pm

t-o-m wrote:the map is just so...dark!

switzlerland is full of wealthy, prospoerous, people. its bright and light hearted. sunny things like that.

what can i infer here?

dark,
themes in the map contrast in a bad way,
things dont go,
some metalicy colours and some plain basic colours,
it looks like its glowing to me in some places,

overall its just really dark - its needs to be really bright!

I like the dark.

--lanyards

by **RjBeals** on Mon Jun 30, 2008 10:43 am

Click image to enlarge.

The red outer borders look bad. They do not fit this map.
I prefer the older bright/crisp white territ borders. These are fine, but just a little eh.
I prefer the older region colors - the way they were kind of lighter & had a swirl/brushed pattern in them.
I prefer the older mountains better - they were smoother and fit this map style better.

Kap - It seems that the biggest complaint is the darkness of this map, particularly the background. Why don't you delete your current background layers, and start from scratch.

I would also suggest tilting your map to give you more room in the bottom right for a minimap and legend. Combined in 1 area, instead of split up. It's a little easier to see what regions your looking at. I took this and played with it just to see how much room I could get. It's a little more but not as much as I would like. But anyway - have fun Kap.

Click image to enlarge.

by **Kaplowitz** on Mon Jun 30, 2008 3:38 pm

RJ do you want me to work with v29 or v30?

by **Ruben Cassar** on Mon Jun 30, 2008 3:51 pm

With all due respect Kap but you made a poll and the majority of people said they liked version A. So why don't you stick with that? Are you going to ignore what the vote says?

The red borders are a disaster...forget about them and revert to the previous version.

About the Swiss flag...you had an earlier version where the flag was incorporated in the title and not an actual flag. It was cool, bring it back.

And finally people are tearing your map apart about the colour scheme. It's impossible to please everyone. But this is your map. You have a right to make an artistic decision. I say stick with the popular choice, vote "A" and move along. All these colour scheme opinions are subjective. I never liked it when people try to change an artistic decision of a map maker unless it's because the regions' colours are not distinguishable between each other. Who knows what Switzerland looks like after all? It's just a subjective, stereotyped image that people have in their head.

I also like the mountains, what's all this fuss about people? Those mountains look great.

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