Conqueror's Cup 2010. Winners Knights of the round table !!

by **Chuuuuck** on Mon Feb 01, 2010 9:16 am

Chariot of Fire wrote:so Chuck....what about my suggestion re cup-tied players?

Sorry I forgot to respond earlier when I had to read through 2 pages of posts!

I think the suggestion sounds good. I will add it to the first post later tonight.

by **tyche73** on Mon Feb 01, 2010 9:19 am

Could someone be kind enough to post the new layout of the draw (now that DD have dropped out)
Thanks

by **Chuuuuck** on Mon Feb 01, 2010 9:29 am

tyche73 wrote:Could someone be kind enough to post the new layout of the draw (now that DD have dropped out)
Thanks

I will tonight. The bracket is on my home computer and I am at work.

It will be simple enough, everyone behind DD (16 and lower) will slide up one.

by **reptile** on Mon Feb 01, 2010 10:00 am

Chariot of Fire wrote:so Chuck....what about my suggestion re cup-tied players?

i am confused about what this means. if it has anything to do with the tourney could you explain please... if not... disreguard :oops:

by **pmchugh** on Mon Feb 01, 2010 10:04 am

reptile wrote:
Chariot of Fire wrote:so Chuck....what about my suggestion re cup-tied players?

i am confused about what this means. if it has anything to do with the tourney could you explain please... if not... disreguard

Chariot of Fire wrote:btw....question for the organisers.....

Do you think it's a good idea to introduce a 'cup-tied' rule for this competition (whereby any player that has represented a clan in any of these Cup games cannot play for another competing clan should he or she switch loyalties during the contest)?

Seems like a fair and sensible rule to me as it will negate the desire to poach quality players as the tourney progresses, effectively making a clan's membership (as it stands now) having to stay the course.

It's done in many cup competitions - and in this one, given the nature of CC, would seem to make good sense. Cheers

by **Chuuuuck** on Mon Feb 01, 2010 10:35 am

reptile wrote:
Chariot of Fire wrote:so Chuck....what about my suggestion re cup-tied players?

i am confused about what this means. if it has anything to do with the tourney could you explain please... if not... disreguard

Basically saying if a clan picks up a new player in the middle of the cup and that player was in another clan participating in the cup at the beginning than that player can not participate in cup games with his/her new clan.

The intention is to prevent a clan from poaching good players. For example, hypothetically, say Empire beats KORT in the 2nd round and goes to the final 4. The rule prevents us from then going and offering for Foxglove, sjnap, and bruceswar all to join Empire and finish the cup with us.

However, you are more than welcome to pick up good players that are not already in a clan participating in the cup to play with you. And obviously, you are more than welcome to pick up new players from clans that are participating, they just can't play with you this year in the cup.

by **ahunda** on Mon Feb 01, 2010 10:44 am

Chuuuuck wrote:The intention is to prevent a clan from poaching good players. For example, hypothetically, say Empire beats KORT in the 2nd round and goes to the final 4. The rule prevents us from then going and offering for Foxglove, sjnap, and bruceswar all to join Empire and finish the cup with us.

I would hope, that this kind of practice is generally frowned upon. IA doesn´t approach members of other clans, if they don´t come to us first.

by **freakns** on Mon Feb 01, 2010 11:47 am

Chuuuuck wrote:The intention is to prevent a clan from poaching good players. For example, hypothetically, say Empire beats KORT in the 2nd round and goes to the final 4. The rule prevents us from then going and offering for Foxglove, sjnap, and bruceswar all to join Empire and finish the cup with us.

it doesnt prevent you from picking them, it prevents you from using them in c cup

by **Lubawski** on Mon Feb 01, 2010 12:27 pm

ahunda wrote:I would hope, that this kind of practice is generally frowned upon. IA doesn´t approach members of other clans, if they don´t come to us first.

I completely agree. I haven't heard of any of that happening, so I assume it doesn't.

by **Bruceswar** on Mon Feb 01, 2010 12:50 pm

Lubawski wrote:
ahunda wrote:I would hope, that this kind of practice is generally frowned upon. IA doesn´t approach members of other clans, if they don´t come to us first.

I completely agree. I haven't heard of any of that happening, so I assume it doesn't.

So then why should a player have to sit out if he changes clans? I can tell you no clan of note will be recruiting players from other clans just for this cup. To suggest someone who try that, is not offering any respect to the player. I think as long as they are in no more games with their old clan, they should be able to help right away in the new clan should they want to.

It would be like saying, Sorry a free agent signing / trade was made mid season in any sport. All players involved, must sit out and wait till next year. Like that would ever happen.

by **Foxglove** on Mon Feb 01, 2010 3:10 pm

Georgerx7di wrote:
Foxglove wrote:
Georgerx7di wrote:Btw, what happened to that sexy avatar you used to have?

I already answered that question, last time you asked me!

viewtopic.php?f=57&t=102767&p=2367090#p2367090

Oh sorry, never read the response. I guess me asking several times probably pissed you off

haha, it's fine. I just kind of wanted to make you feel a bit guilty for asking again after not reading my previous response.

by **Chuuuuck** on Mon Feb 01, 2010 3:30 pm

Bruceswar wrote:
Lubawski wrote:
ahunda wrote:I would hope, that this kind of practice is generally frowned upon. IA doesn´t approach members of other clans, if they don´t come to us first.

I completely agree. I haven't heard of any of that happening, so I assume it doesn't.

So then why should a player have to sit out if he changes clans? I can tell you no clan of note will be recruiting players from other clans just for this cup. To suggest someone who try that, is not offering any respect to the player. I think as long as they are in no more games with their old clan, they should be able to help right away in the new clan should they want to.

It would be like saying, Sorry a free agent signing / trade was made mid season in any sport. All players involved, must sit out and wait till next year. Like that would ever happen.

Only reason I could think of is to prevent a player from leaving his clan just to play, then go back to his original clan. It may be frowned upon by everyone involved but if that doesn't bother the clan/individual then there is nothing to stop them from doing it.

by **khazalid** on Mon Feb 01, 2010 3:45 pm

Bruceswar wrote:
Lubawski wrote:
ahunda wrote:I would hope, that this kind of practice is generally frowned upon. IA doesn´t approach members of other clans, if they don´t come to us first.

I completely agree. I haven't heard of any of that happening, so I assume it doesn't.

So then why should a player have to sit out if he changes clans? I can tell you no clan of note will be recruiting players from other clans just for this cup. To suggest someone who try that, is not offering any respect to the player. I think as long as they are in no more games with their old clan, they should be able to help right away in the new clan should they want to.

It would be like saying, Sorry a free agent signing / trade was made mid season in any sport. All players involved, must sit out and wait till next year. Like that would ever happen.

bruce.. the term cup-tied originates in sport! i think it is a very fair rule.

by **Blitzaholic** on Mon Feb 01, 2010 5:18 pm

Chariot of Fire wrote:
khazalid wrote:be fair now, we didn't get to number 1 by being nice!

incidentally.. what did scott do to you? he's a nice boy these days!

Did you mean #2 khaz?

http://www.conquerclub.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=443&t=100947

no, he meant we are # 1 CoF, we don't care what Jp currently put you at, as many said in the tourney organizer thread, we remain # 1 til someone beats us in a clan challenge. Also, all clans voted on top clans and vast majority ranked us # 1 as you can see by the Tourney CUP bracket format.

by **Chuuuuck** on Mon Feb 01, 2010 5:21 pm

Blitzaholic wrote:
Chariot of Fire wrote:
khazalid wrote:be fair now, we didn't get to number 1 by being nice!

incidentally.. what did scott do to you? he's a nice boy these days!

Did you mean #2 khaz?

http://www.conquerclub.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=443&t=100947

no, he meant we are # 1 CoF, we don't care what Jp currently put you at, as many said in the tourney organizer thread, we remain # 1 til someone beats us in a clan challenge. Also, all clans voted on top clans and vast majority ranked us # 1 as you can see by the Tourney CUP bracket format.

To be fair to Blitz and the ponies. You all will notice they had the lowest Standard Deviation out of anyone. Meaning, most people agreed they were #1.

by **the.killing.44** on Mon Feb 01, 2010 5:27 pm

Chuuuuck wrote:
Bruceswar wrote:
Lubawski wrote:
ahunda wrote:I would hope, that this kind of practice is generally frowned upon. IA doesn´t approach members of other clans, if they don´t come to us first.

I completely agree. I haven't heard of any of that happening, so I assume it doesn't.

So then why should a player have to sit out if he changes clans? I can tell you no clan of note will be recruiting players from other clans just for this cup. To suggest someone who try that, is not offering any respect to the player. I think as long as they are in no more games with their old clan, they should be able to help right away in the new clan should they want to.

It would be like saying, Sorry a free agent signing / trade was made mid season in any sport. All players involved, must sit out and wait till next year. Like that would ever happen.

Only reason I could think of is to prevent a player from leaving his clan just to play, then go back to his original clan. It may be frowned upon by everyone involved but if that doesn't bother the clan/individual then there is nothing to stop them from doing it.

I'm with Bruce here. There is an honor system in clans, and nobody wants to be tagged as a pariah for cheap tactics. Throw in a punishment for having a member join your clan mid-Cup and leaving directly after it (disqualification)*, and you're set.

*please not the "leaving directly after it;" I'm well aware players change clans, especially in the less-established/lower ranked ones.

by **ahunda** on Mon Feb 01, 2010 5:30 pm

The ladder, that CoF linked too, has already been abandoned anyway. There is a new version up in the CLA forum for a couple of days now, for review & discussion. THOTA is number 1 in that one, TOFU number 7.

Reading through the last pages of this thread lets me think, we might be better off, if every clan would keep its own ladder & be happy to be ranked in just the right place ...

by **Chuuuuck** on Mon Feb 01, 2010 6:37 pm

As promised, the bracket and seedings have been updated on the 2nd post.

Because everyone involved in play-in games were planning on playing them anyway, the start date will still be February 13 meaning home games must be sent by the end of the day February 13 and all games must be joined by the end of the day February 17. (All Central Standard Time)

Please remember, the higher seeded clan needs to start a thread in the Active Challenges forum and start the title of the clan war with "C.C." so it can be identified as part of the tournament.

by **Frederik Hendrik** on Mon Feb 01, 2010 6:51 pm

Chuuuuck wrote:Divine Domination has withdrawn themselves from the competition due to losing some members and not having enough actually active players to compete. Since no one has started their threads yet, instead of just counting their game as a forfeit, I will adjust the bracket tomorrow moving everyone behind them up 1. Reason being, if I count their game as a forfeit then DVDLL would get a bye when actually AoC deserves it. AoC will no longer be in a play-in game. Instead they will be facing IA in the first round.

I apologize for any inconvenience this has caused any of you preparing to start your play-in games. I just found out about this and this is the most fair way for me to handle it. Bracket will be updated tomorrow evening.

Understandibly DD gave up. They had no chance anyway. :lol:

Please tell me when the bracket is unchangeble. So we know when to frighten off our next opponent. :twisted:

by **Frederik Hendrik** on Mon Feb 01, 2010 6:54 pm

Chuuuuck wrote:As promised, the bracket and seedings have been updated on the 2nd post.

Because everyone involved in play-in games were planning on playing them anyway, the start date will still be February 13 meaning home games must be sent by the end of the day February 13 and all games must be joined by the end of the day February 17. (All Central Standard Time)

Please remember, the higher seeded clan needs to start a thread in the Active Challenges forum and start the title of the clan war with "C.C." so it can be identified as part of the tournament.

Not happy to see we have to play Left4Dead. We are in a clan-challenge with them at the moment.

by **Chuuuuck** on Mon Feb 01, 2010 7:00 pm

Frederik Hendrik wrote:
Chuuuuck wrote:As promised, the bracket and seedings have been updated on the 2nd post.

Because everyone involved in play-in games were planning on playing them anyway, the start date will still be February 13 meaning home games must be sent by the end of the day February 13 and all games must be joined by the end of the day February 17. (All Central Standard Time)

Please remember, the higher seeded clan needs to start a thread in the Active Challenges forum and start the title of the clan war with "C.C." so it can be identified as part of the tournament.

Not happy to see we have to play Left4Dead. We are in a clan-challenge with them at the moment.

I apologize Frederik, there are a lot of rematches in this tournament set up already but I can't change any of them. It is all based on the seeding. The bracket should be final now, I don't think anyone else will drop out. As of 1 week before the start date (this Saturday), anyone who drops out will be a forfeit and I won't change the bracket because I don't want people to have to prepare for more than 1 clan.

I wish you all the best of luck against against L4D again though. Hope you all enjoy.

by **sjnap** on Mon Feb 01, 2010 7:16 pm

Big Whiskey wrote:
sjnap wrote:
khazalid wrote:snappy! come be a pony again, i miss you

khazzy ...miss u2 my fiend ...i am afraid not all ponies think the same as you

I do.

I know you do my friend

I miss you too ... i always enjoyed our teamgames

oops sorry all ..back to topic :lol:

by **waseemalim** on Mon Feb 01, 2010 7:39 pm

the.killing.44 wrote:
Chuuuuck wrote:
Bruceswar wrote:
Lubawski wrote:
ahunda wrote:I would hope, that this kind of practice is generally frowned upon. IA doesn´t approach members of other clans, if they don´t come to us first.

I completely agree. I haven't heard of any of that happening, so I assume it doesn't.

So then why should a player have to sit out if he changes clans? I can tell you no clan of note will be recruiting players from other clans just for this cup. To suggest someone who try that, is not offering any respect to the player. I think as long as they are in no more games with their old clan, they should be able to help right away in the new clan should they want to.

It would be like saying, Sorry a free agent signing / trade was made mid season in any sport. All players involved, must sit out and wait till next year. Like that would ever happen.

Only reason I could think of is to prevent a player from leaving his clan just to play, then go back to his original clan. It may be frowned upon by everyone involved but if that doesn't bother the clan/individual then there is nothing to stop them from doing it.

I'm with Bruce here. There is an honor system in clans, and nobody wants to be tagged as a pariah for cheap tactics. Throw in a punishment for having a member join your clan mid-Cup and leaving directly after it (disqualification)*, and you're set.

*please not the "leaving directly after it;" I'm well aware players change clans, especially in the less-established/lower ranked ones.

Seems like unnecessary paperwork to me. If anyone wants to be frowned upon, we should not take away their opportunity to indulge in it.

p.s. For all Monkis who wants to play in these, LOW is considering extending a temporary membership.

by **Chariot of Fire** on Mon Feb 01, 2010 7:51 pm

Blitzaholic wrote:
Chariot of Fire wrote:
khazalid wrote:be fair now, we didn't get to number 1 by being nice!

incidentally.. what did scott do to you? he's a nice boy these days!

Did you mean #2 khaz?

http://www.conquerclub.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=443&t=100947

no, he meant we are # 1 CoF, we don't care what Jp currently put you at, as many said in the tourney organizer thread, we remain # 1 til someone beats us in a clan challenge. Also, all clans voted on top clans and vast majority ranked us # 1 as you can see by the Tourney CUP bracket format.

Jeepers Blitzy, I was only pulling his leg (note the wink?). Don't take things so seriously.

Re cup-tied players. I don't for one minute think a clan would go out of its way to purposefully recruit (or poach) a player solely for the purpose of winning this tourney - that's not the scenario I had in mind. I just think it's an effective rule as it eliminates the possibility of someone from, say, BFM playing against TOFU in R1 and then joining Dragoons to end -up playing TOFU again. Purely coincidental of course, but an anomaly that's worth preventing nevertheless.

Just to cite another example. If, in the middle of a challenge, a player (or group of players) leave a clan and join the opposition that they had been playing against, do you not think it would be bit odd for those players to then start playing against their old clan for whom they've already won (or lost) a series of games?